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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Wow! I'm not going to say that I'm shocked, but it is something to hear it straight from the horse's mouth. Abuse in all forms is so prevalent in the contemporary church. I am particularly disturbed by all this, "God told me..", and "I heard God say...", and "If you sow into THIS ministry, you will be blessed...". It can be very distressing and confusing because you want to increase your faith and you want to be obedient and you want to respect the man of God, but some of these ministries/churches take it too far in their self-aggrandizement, as someone stated earlier.
I'm African American and have dealt with some serious emotional abuse while attending a church pastored by a Nigerian - I refuse to call it a Nigerian church. I am not being offensive, but the people were just hearing from God way-y-y-y too much for me. And I kept telling them respectfully, "Thank you for your concern, but I also hear from God and what you are saying is not conducive with my spirit". The pastor was a very young Uyo guy and his wife was Igbo. There was obvious contention even in their marriage relationship, so that was my first red flag to be careful. He always wanted to know everything that was going on in your life so he could know how to pray for you. Hmmm! And the mother-in-law was so wicked. She would tell you the meanest things and say she was prophesying. They were always talking of living in the supernatural and how they were going to change the atmosphere in Houston. But they couldn't even afford to buy a building. Hmmm. How supernatural is that?
I pray that we will all be careful to know who God wants in our lives and what purpose the relationship with them will serve. Yes, sometimes adversaries come to make you stronger. But I have learned to never, I mean never substitute someone else's judgement for my own. Hallejuah! Can I get an amen?
MrsEze
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Watch out for stuff like that.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| The Dreamer wrote: | Folks,
Earlier on in this thread, I had mentioned the case of a UK based pastor of a black church facing allegations of indecent assault from some female former members of his church. The case had gone to court last year, but wut the jury failed to reach a conclusive verdict. Thereafter, the judge dismissed them and scheduled a retrial for this year, this retrial commenced a few weeks back. The prosecution case amounts to a charge of 12 counts of indecent assault by 4 different female former members. Counsel for the defence denies these charges naturally. Instead, they suggest that the women in question led the pastor into temptation. They even concede that the pastor may have taken advantage of the adulation heaped upon him by his female members, and may have succumbed in a moment of weakness! They state that he is not on trial for moral impropriety or marital infidelity therefore the jury should not be swayed by arguments other than this. Now the prosecution have brought forth allegations of witness intimidation on the part of the defence. It seems that some of those in the pastor's camp have tried blackmail and/or intimidation to manipulate some prosecution witnesses to either not give evidence, or to make their evidence favourable to the pastor's case! ( Not surprisingly, on both sides we can find some UK based Naijas ). The case is still continuing, and a verdict will soon be reached !!!
For now, I would urge folks to be cautious when they attend new churches. By all means respect your pastor, hoiwever don't turn yhim/her into a demi-god as too many black people would seem to do !!!
Brothers beware. Too many sisters are susceptible to the charms of charismatic pastors, fellowship leaders or departmental leaders. Without being insecure or paranoid, be on guard for threats to your relationship emanating from these quarters. Know that if this does happen to you, most of the church leadership and people will side with your lady and her lover, even though you have been wronged!!! I'm speaking from personal experience guys You wouldn't want to find out that your wife's new baby looks like pastor A, or brother B from the choir or brother C from the ushers!!!
When giving, ensure you give out of Love and worship to God, not out of guilt!!! Too many ministers make a habit of guilt-tripping people into giving!!!
Don't be suprised if brethren fail to expect rally round when going through life's storms, heck don't be surprised if they laugh, mock and scoff at you!!!
Ensure your circle of friends extend beyond your local church. While I won't advise against friendships in your church, make friends and acquaintances from other churches, and even among non-believers!!! I feel it is very unhealthy to draw your friends exclusively from your local church. In case you run up against the church leaders or one of their favourite lackeys, most of the congregation might turn against you including your erstwhile close friend !!! |
Eeya, they stole your wife? Aah! This is so much information, but I totally agree with the part about having friends from different places, its always so painful when something happens and the people you thought you were close to just put you out there and throw rocks, your own brothers and sisters, wharashame.
The one thing I will say is sisters, beware of the brothers, I don't care how spiritual they are or how well integrated they are in the system...don't be caught with them after certain hours of the night and don't let them lure you to your downfall, there's nothing wrong with being a prude. If they can't handle it, then that's their problem. If the pastor can't defend the women in the congregation or protect them from sexual and emotional predators, take your slippers and run!!
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| Mona wrote: |
Eeya, they stole your wife? Aah! This is so much information, but I totally agree with the part about having friends from different places, its always so painful when something happens and the people you thought you were close to just put you out there and throw rocks, your own brothers and sisters, wharashame.
The one thing I will say is sisters, beware of the brothers, I don't care how spiritual they are or how well integrated they are in the system...don't be caught with them after certain hours of the night and don't let them lure you to your downfall, there's nothing wrong with being a prude. If they can't handle it, then that's their problem. If the pastor can't defend the women in the congregation or protect them from sexual and emotional predators, take your slippers and run!! |
Hey I've never been married o, so don't let some desperado get on my case for alimony!!! :shock:
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Update
The pastor in the sexual assault allegations was jailed in May 2004 (at least I think it was May) for three and a half years on one count of sexual assault. The other three counts were dismissed if I remember correctly. He started a new church where his misses is in charge (till he gets released maybe?).
ciao
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Abuse in one-man-says-it-all churches will always abound as long as he /she is the alpha and omega. At least the Orthodox churches have a heirachy that can hold a pastor accountable. A Nigerian pastor based in Tampa, Florida who was quoting ferrociously to me from the Bible to give my life to Christ in the same breath was hitting on me to, tried to kiss me (!!!!), and hear this: he's twice divorced, has a girlfriend who was 7 months pregnant. So I asked him if he has never heard the term "fornication before" and told him to come back and preach to me when he has read his bible well.
The catholic church has seen abuse cases publicly aired...even one case is bad enough, but there will always be evil people who penetrate the fold of Christ and atonement and punishment is nececsary. But for those (especially Naija pastors) who hide and sin in God's name, their judgement is coming and it will be brutal.
Olakunbi
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: |
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Interesting.....
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: |
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I once attended a Nigerian pastored church in the US where most of the men including the pastor made attempts to have sex with me. The wife of the pastor even asked me to marry her husband so he could get a green card despite the fact that (not being aware that I knew) she was the same person who summoned another worker in their church to do some diabolical work for her against me, because she knew her pastor husband was attracted to me. Had the guy not known that I wasn't interested in her husband or anyone else in their church (and probably because he was also chasing me), he wouldn't have told me that he defended me and told her that no such deviousness was necessary because I wasn't interested in her husband, nor a threat to her.
This same guy who said he defended me, tried his best to convince me to date him, despite being aware that I had a boyfriend who was not a member of their church. It would also be foolish of me, considering after his previous revelation, I knew that he wasn't a true Christian and was capable of diabolism. This same guy pretended he was interested in my spiritual growth and tried to brainwash me, like Mona said, Bible in one hand, sexual and diabolical weapons in the other. Also, I found out that another chap he begged me not to report to the police for trying to sexually assault me was his cousin, so when he tried to do the same I made it clear I would call the police.
I tried to keep focused on the reason I was in the church which was to worship God and grow spiritually, but eventually, I decided all the fighting, wife stealing, home destroying, backbiting, gossiping, underlying strange cult-like practices and other vices were too much for me. Nothing like this happens in Orthodox churches, coupled with the fact that instead of discipline, bias were common as even the pastor and his selected church workers or so-called elders were known to receive sexual, monetary and fraudulent favours from unscrupulous members and therefore despite glaring evidences would never find obvious wrongdoings, nor punish, but defended such.
An example of this was when one idiot tried to hit me for disregarding his sexual advances, which surprisingly some of the women members condoned, and I called the cops. The pastor and women chastised me for calling the cops instead of punishing the offender. They had all been brainwashed and I was despised for trying to live a godly and righteous life. I was mocked for wanting to live a holy life and only a very few of us showed up for Bible study or actually had bibles or brought them to church. It wasn't because they couldn't afford it either because I donated bibles and some just weren't interested. I suppose we that attended Bible study were considered the foolish ones, who actually believed in fasting, praying and follow through. Strange considering the Nigerians in Nigeria are usually hungry for God's word.
Like MrsEze said, these church workers were TOO interested in knowing what was going in ones life so they could pray about it, but I wasn't forthcoming. Also for some reason they kept their false prophesies and visions from me, I suppose they knew I knew the word of God and wasn't going to fall for such bull. I was more interested in growing spiritually than in winning a popularity contest, no wonder they envied and hated me. Plus I wasn't interested in their social circles, since I didn't think church was where I needed to make friends.
I'm glad God removed me from such a devilish and demonic environment or I probably would either have been dead from constantly trying to resist their evil or become one of them. I later heard that the pastor who had lied to me about being fraudulent, even putting a Bible on his head to swear was jailed for fraud. He lied to me a human being, but he swore using God's word, and God did not condone his attempt to mock His holy word and gave him his just reward. His wife who I was told introduced him to such activities, also left him shortly after and now claims to be born again.
My advice is that "any church that does not practice what it preaches, and any church were the vices are apparent and obvious, overshadowing any good you can derive from it, is NOT a church, but a devil's workshop. Also, any church where members or hierarchy seek to know your personal business and try to brainwash, or practice anything unscriptural, openly or discretely is NOT a church, but a CULT."
Take heed, listen to your inner man and RUN!!!
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Pastor Flogs Member to Death
Vanguard
Simon Ebegbulem
19 May 2008
Pandemonium broke out weekend in Benin after a member of one of the new generation churches in the city, identified as Stella was allegedly flogged to death by her Pastor during a deliverance session.
Vanguard learnt that the incident which occurred around Ekiosa market, off Sakpoba Road at about 4:30am yesterday, threw the entire congregation into confusion as several efforts made to revive her after she collapsed yielded no result.
A member of the church, who craved anonymity, told Vanguard that the deceased woman, whose husband resided abroad, was a pioneer member of the church and mother of two children.
The source said the deceased was hale and healthy when she arrived for the deliverance night.
It was said that the deceased was tortured as her hair was shaved while marks of cane were visible all over her body. The source said however that "as it seems, the bereaved family has resigned to fate because one of the Pastors who was arrested by the police over the incident was released on bail."
When Vanguard visited the Church yesterday, the building was under lock and key. When contacted, the State Police Public Relations Officer, ASP Peter Ogboi confirmed the incident but however disclosed that his men at the Esigie Police Station were yet to brief him fully on the issue. _________________ May we be strengthened with the ability, willingness and capabilities to be good ambassadors of Nigeria contributing to its uplifting, rather than its detriment. - Cxsm |
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: |
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TBJ: A Prophet and his Sex Slaves
Taju Tijani
The case of Anneka Kinch made a sober viewing. On Tuesday October 14 2008, the World in Focus programme of the Revelation Christian channel beamed a tantalising view of satanic harem to millions of its viewers. Bespectacled Pastor Yemi Balogun, the ebullient and intelligent anchor of this programme brought in a beautiful, clever but victimised white woman to pirouette, like a singing canary, on a topic aptly dubbed, “Delivered from a cult.”
Anneka Kinch did not disappoint. She pried open previously closed inner world of a libidinous famous prophet who morph nightly into a sexual monster. She regurgitated a sustained immoral revelation of sexual abuse that induced an insanely, eye-bulgingly and mouth-foamingly fury which naturally cascaded into an alarming moral panic. Grumbling grenades were dropped on the fortified Synagogue of this notorious and well-known Ikotun-Egbe based prophet. TBJ is a muddy creek, an exemplar of the ignoble black devil, grand master of the antiquated Sodomic Order, empty vessel, deceiver and prince of darkness. Since the beginning of time, man, yes mortal man, has combed the wilds, mountains, forests and rivers in search of a Deity to worship and praise. In each of us, there is a distant echo of the sacred. There is also an inner conviction that the world could not have been perfectly ordered without God as the architect and divine driver-designer.
After thousands of years of reverence for the light of salvation, the forces of capitalism would later bring a seismic shift. When capitalism brought wealth to man, his innate adoration for God took a spectacular tumble under the weight and greedy embrace of the good life. Expectedly, spiritual death set in. Not for long. Along came a massive gale of change. Since spiritual vacuum could not be sustained for long in the heart of man, a new quest began to emerge. Then in the 50’s, Pentecostalism was born. The whole world was encircled with a replay of the day of the Pentecost. Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, spiritual warfare, deliverance, salvation, grace, embrace of prosperity, worship, vigil, crusade, evangelism, healing, prophecy, resurrection and demonic exorcism become the dominant paradigms of the new church.
Man’s search for the spiritual after a thaw has now received a deserved renewal through Americanised televangelism. Africans were to give the new charismatic movement a solid rearguard. Even then, the emergence of post-modern prosperity, unrestrained freedom and the birth of individualism ushered in an era of heretical views, and once again, the existence of a divine God began to be re-examined and questioned. Falling on their freely given spirit of choice, thousands of people saw God in ‘Mother Meera’ an Indian woman who lived in Germany.
Thousands more would found a divine reincarnation of God on earth in Guru Maharajah along Ibadan-Lagos expressway. Even in late Prophets Godspower Oyewole and Maryland-based Jesus of Oyingbo.
Millions who were unable to comprehend the existence of God Almighty resorted to worshipping Satan, ogun, ifa, yemanja, egun, crystals, animals, Feng Shui, sacred stones, forests, Hinduism and Hare Rama Hare Krishna. Those seeking the meaning of life began to embrace readily available man-made alternatives which led to more confusion, depression, emptiness and anxiety.
There is no language, no symbols strong enough to illuminate the realities of the existence of God. Anneka Kinch was caught between these extreme dilemmas. She grew up in a christain household under devout and God-fearing parents. Like the pilgrims fathers, she was infected with
a quest to search for the real and living God. She found God in her home turf of United Kingdom. Unsatisfied, she upped her spiritual ante by looking further afield for signs and wonders. Then something happened.
The atmosphere of her old church was warm and spirit-filled. At 18, she enjoyed every bit of her Sunday worship with family and friends. Later, she got bored of listening to the same old, recycled Sunday homiletics, moral certainties and Bible stories. Innocently, a male member of her local church brought a DVD of an African prophet performing miracles. The miraculous rendering of the prophet’s awesome supernatural power overawed Anneka Kinch. Instantly, gullibility and adventure became fused and she headed out to the sun. Against the received wisdom of her pastor, she headed for Nigeria in search of signs, wonders and the miraculous. Her internal demons seem less easily placated or persuaded to behave. She wanted to see a reincarnated Jesus on African soil! She desired God but a serpent was waiting. This time without the apple nearby!
In Mao’s China, during the Cultural Revolution, re-education was a must. There, all the codes, philosophy and attitudes of the new China were born. In the Synagogue, the prophet’s Bible study regime is ring-fenced with rigid codes, subtle manipulation, fear, threat and weird misinterpretation of the Holy Bible. Months after Anneka Kinch’s embattled mind was won over with bitter lies, a new perverted dimension to her acculturation unfolded. She began to notice regular assignations between the prophet and other young ladies. Many of them, both black and white had come from different countries in search of the miraculous but are being recruited into a sophisticated harem. They are being recruited into a nether world of sexual slavery. Naively, they become cannon fodders for the insatiable sexual appetite of a bearded Satan who masquerades as an angel of light and salvation.
Dazed, befuddled and fooled, poor Anneka Kinch was caught in the intriguing sexual web of a prophet she believed with immovable conviction that he was God. She ran assignations several times to the pent house bedroom of our prophet of doom. Interestingly, the prophet was able to make his sinful union chic, respectable and sought after with rich permutations of passing anointing through copulation with his female disciples! The prophet believes in false cross-fertilisation. Christ knew better. He had no female disciples!
The Nigerian Pentecostal movement is presently embattled. Its umbrella regulator, the Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria, an impotent outfit, cannot pretend to be unaware of the dark dealings of the human mirage of Ikotun Egbe. Nigerian pastors, ministers, reverends and priests are becoming spiritual aggressors who prey on the weak, the poor and the gullible. Many of them are aware of TBJ’s sexual depravity but sadly they are silent and have remained cowards behind the anesthetising security of the stained-glass windows. Even the most optimistic believers feel a slight frisson of trepidation that indicated the possibility of erosion of moral honesty, self control, truth and long suffering among the rank of our preachers. Majority of them continue to use immoral means to attain moral ends. TBJ’s cable television, Emmanuel, has been used to spin and burnish his pastoral image as the saviour of the blind, the lame; the widow, the widower and the unemployed.
The spiritual hubris engulfing the Nigerian churches clearly shows how easily pastors, prophets, evangelists, apostles and reverends with empty vision can capsize destiny as in the case of Anneka Kinch. Rather than settle for benign complacency and suffer ongoing sexual mutilations, Anneka Kinch made a dash for freedom. Back home in the UK, it took months for the mist of her spiritual misadventure to clear. Then she woke up and suddenly realised that she had been delivered from a cult.
_________________ May we be strengthened with the ability, willingness and capabilities to be good ambassadors of Nigeria contributing to its uplifting, rather than its detriment. - Cxsm |
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